Timeless Roundtable: Season 2 In Review

Jiya went through one hell of a journey this season. She went from being a techie in Timeless season 1 to being front and center now. What are your thoughts on how this character was developed in season 2?

Luci: I mean, I loved Jiya since the first moment she appeared on my screen, and she and Rufus had this cute crush on each other but didn’t do anything about it. And more than that, she represents us all so well. Like Lucy, she is real, complex, and quirky and loves with all her heart. No wonder we all fell in love with Jiya from the get-go.

But I really love what they’ve done with her this season. She’s no longer just a techie and Rufus’ girlfriend. No. She’s so much more than that, and Claudia Doumit more than rose to the challenge. She has been a tour de force this season, and Jiya has only grown through her fantastic performance. I love that the writers have put her front and center and made this show a full ensemble show, giving each character a chance to shine, grow, develop and learn from their mistakes. Jiya’s visions served as the guiding thread of season 2; and we watched her fight them, then learn from them and gain confidence in herself that she now had this bizarre ability.

Not to mention that Claudia Doumit shattered my heart in a million pieces in the Timeless finale. I still can’t watch the scene where the team makes it back to the bunker without Rufus, and then her scene with Mason, without crying my eyes out.

Jess: Can we get a hallelujah? Jiya is my millenial soulmate aboard this rocky journey. From season one, she cements herself as a master woman of STEM, fielding all unwarranted stereotypes and using her smarts to save our Time Team’s asses. In season two, she’s our vision enigma, and viewers (finally!) got to witness her Time Team initiation.

In Timeless season 2, Jiya becomes an actual, fully-fledged member of the time travel squad — and that’s epic in my books. Her skills spread beyond the confines of her command station and into the world of the past. It’s been an absolute delight to watch Jiya take her rightful place next to her older siblings. (Like Agent Christopher said to Mason, they’re family now). The genius bunker inclusion has provided us the means of not being able to side-swipe Jiya, as happens to a lot of supporting cast members in ensemble shows. Jiya is here, and Jiya has a story. There is a voice behind that brilliance of Klingon and binge watches of Vanderpump Rules.

Her father’s death really brings light to a lot of Jiya’s motivations, and it’s been a heart-wrenching journey to see her reconcile what is happening to her with what happened to her father. It forces her to open up to Rufus; and even if rocky, their relationship flourishes so beautifully because of her compassion and stoicism.

But the kicker for me? THAT FINALE. Jesus Mary Mother of Joseph, seeing her break that sleaze’s wrist? Hide for three years to protect the man she loves? Survive racist 1888 San Francisco? Slay her first villain?

I need more wine.

Jiya’s badassery knows no limits. She’s the real MVP. Give Claudia Doumit all the awards for that bunker breakdown after Rufus’ death. I’m wrecked.

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Logan: Jiya saved the Time Team at least three times by the end of Timeless‘ first season, so we all knew she was fierce. But season two took that to a whole new level and fleshed out the character with more backstory. Emotional depth helps us further invest in where a character is going, and I was so happy to see that time spent on Jiya.

I also loved that she and Rufus were able to argue without ever breaking up. Often, these dramas show couples calling it quits when they don’t agree on something — especially something big, like the “fate vs. free will” debate — but Jiya and Rufus didn’t fall into this trap, and I think that added so much to Jiya’s strength of character this season. It also told us exactly how much she loves Rufus Carlin. It made us ache for her, but we loved her for standing her ground and managing to keep Rufus by her side at the same time.

And then she just slayed it even more in the finale. Standing up to Mason, Rufus, and Rittenhouse? YAS, QUEEN. I cannot wait to see what they do with Jiya going forward. She’s proved herself to be a valuable member of the Time Team over and over again, and I’m ready to see her on more missions with them.

Melinda: I think Jiya is one of the only characters who is this aware of her emotions, her strengths, and weaknesses. She is incredibly transparent. She talks openly about the loss of her father and downright tells Rufus when he is being a douche (yeah, we were all thinking it). After the witch trials, she tended to Lucy’s stab wound and advised her not to be a hero in her state. She flat out told Rufus about her vision involving his death. She told them not to save her. She seems to be the youngest of the group, but she is clearly the most balanced.

“Chinatown” changes Jiya in ways that I think we are still learning. She became hard, but yes, even more badass than I think I gave her credit for. It takes a selfless person to give themselves up to the bedbug-infested 1800’s for the person they love. But, once again, these Timeless writers dazzle the audience with a character who not only is a 100% self-professed nerd but a beautiful, honest, woman that can break a man’s wrist at the drop of a card.

Jenna: I have loved Jiya from her first scene. I had always wanted to know more about her and her relationship with Rufus. The writers did a good job giving us bits and pieces of who she was and what she would be willing to do for those she cared about.

But season two Jiya? She is my favorite person on the planet. When she spoke of her father and the way he died, it hit me because I was her — my father died the same way. I get it. I get why she didn’t want to go to the doctor. I got her as a person when she went to 1981 with the team. That would have been me. I would have stolen eyeshadow and leg warmers. Probably a crimper, too.

Timeless has made Jiya a necessary part of the team, and I will be forever grateful for it.

Let’s talk about Wyatt and his mile-long list of stupid decisions. Do you approve of the way Wyatt’s journey was handled in Timeless season 2?

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Luci: God, we’re going to be here a while. I know everyone’s first reaction is to throw Wyatt under the bus and complain about what an idiot he was. And hey, I agree! He was an idiot; and as Lucy said, he did mess things up between them. That’s all on him. But we should also take a collective step back and put ourselves in his shoes. He was thrown into an impossible situation.

Let’s not forget that this is the guy who spent six years drowning in guilt for his wife’s death, someone who was most likely his first love, who was everything to him for half of his life. And then, when he finally allowed himself to push past the guilt and move on, finally giving into his very strong feelings for Lucy, Jessica was suddenly alive again. How was he supposed to react? What was he supposed to do? On the one hand, he had Lucy and definitely didn’t want to hurt her; but on the other hand, his wife — the person he had spent the past six years grieving for, who he had even tried to change history to save — was suddenly alive.

So yeah, Wyatt didn’t make the greatest decisions, but give the guy a damn minute. As far as we know, only three weeks passed between episodes 5 and 10. That’s not nearly enough time for someone to get a hold on his feelings, sort through the mess his life has suddenly become and get his shit together — not to mention the constant time travel. So, of course he was conflicted. He clearly had very strong feelings for Lucy — as she did for him — but now he also felt a sense of duty to his wife.

Wyatt has always been a react first, think later kind of guy, and this situation was no different. By the time he realized the mess he had made with Lucy and his wife — and then later with everyone else by being a bullheaded idiot in denial — it was already too late. So, my only qualm with Wyatt’s journey was how long they dragged out his denial in “The General,” but I can also understand why the character was written that way. Of course he couldn’t wrap his head around the possibility that his wife was Rittenhouse, when he had known her since high school. It just didn’t compute. And that cost him his friend.

So, do I approve of Wyatt’s choices? No, not all of them. Do I understand why he did what he did? Yes, I do.

Jess: *Settles in with a bowl of popcorn and a bottle of wine*

How much time do we have? Look, let’s preface this with: Wyatt is not a bad person. I say this with a few particular posts and tweets in mind because some interpretations of his actions are borne from a certain rival ship base, and there have been some unjust words thrown out there.

Wyatt’s situation is unfathomable. In his own words, he tells us no one has gone through what he’s going through. There is no guidebook for the resurrection of a dead spouse, so sue him for going to the dark side (eyeing you, Trashica) and believing in his wife. She was the woman he longed for, tortured his soul for, risked life, career and court martialing for…and he’s a man of loyalty and decency. Pre-Rittenhouse reveal, Wyatt’s choice to stay loyal to Jessica was the decent thing to do. That is one decision I will not allow anyone to label stupid because it is necessary for Wyatt’s character progression and for Lyatt. Trashica is a looming ghost around every corner, and it’s time she was addressed. He knows it. Lucy knows it.

Now, do I believe Wyatt is perfect? Not by a long-shot. I will forever roll my eyes at that ill-placed joke between Rufus and Wyatt within Lucy’s earshot. No matter your eagerness to protect your wife, you bring her into Lucy’s space and only home. Lucy, the woman you bore your soul to only hours before, the woman you come to know as intimately as you do your wife.

I am firmly Team Wyatt Sucks here. Awareness. Compassion. It shouldn’t have taken Lucy telling him that he’s made her feel awkward and caged for him to realize how incredibly selfish he have been.

I was so disheartened to see the blinders Wyatt put on when his disaster of a wife (I’m not salty, I promise) crossed the threshold of the Silo. His ultimate mistake, in my eyes, was pulling away from Lucy. The fracturing of their friendship in the face of Lucy’s stoic efforts to reconcile with the situation stung. In a matter of episodes, she lost Rufus and Wyatt’s camaraderie, and their friendship twisted into such a malformation that Garcia Flynn had to pick up the pieces.

So, Wyatt? You and that jealousy? Not a good look. We understand Murder Puppy Flynn is the antithesis of the man you’d gladly take home to Mom; but like Lucy so sharply reminds him, he has no right to green-eye-monster their “one night relationship.”

The good thing about Wyatt? He listens. When Lucy tells him he’s gone too far, overstepped his mark, he backs away. He has flaws — he’s human — but he tries to do the right thing. Also? He’s just so incredibly in love with her, and yet he’s expected to do the right thing by that whole bunker. That is a painfully frustrating undertaking.

TIMELESS — “A History of San Fran” Episode 210 — Pictured: Matt Lanter as Wyatt Logan — (Photo by: Ron Batzdorff/NBC)

There are many ways we would change our actions and words with hindsight, and Wyatt isn’t an isolated case. The Timeless writers took a journey that I believe was necessary. They didn’t martyr Wyatt or dishonor his marriage. Instead, they built something that straddles the mature bracket without reducing it to a soapy mess you’d rather see on Days. It was raw, painful, awkward, even hilarious in some ways. But most of all, the journey felt honest. Some will toe the line that Wyatt Logan became an ounce out of character; but for me, that comes from people who stand in the box of Mary Sue’ing a favorite. Wyatt Logan may be a hero in the military sense, but in terms of love and honor? He’s just human.

No one is perfect. Except, maybe, Tomb-Raider Lucy. Fight me.

Logan: Alright, here we go. I have a lot of feelings about Wyatt Logan. A LOT. I am with Jess in that everything, as far as him choosing Jessica before the Rittenhouse reveal, cannot ever be labeled as stupid. That was the only decision to make. He had to try, he had to see it through. He wouldn’t be the Wyatt we loved in season one if he didn’t.

But I do believe that some of what Wyatt did over the course of the Timeless‘ second season felt out of character. For starters, that horrible loud sex joke. No, Wyatt didn’t make the joke (Rufus, I’m looking at you); but he reacted like an obnoxious teenager, even knowing that the bunker isn’t really all that big and Lucy could be nearby — which she was. That was insensitive and very unlike the Wyatt we saw in season one.

Everything between that moment and the beginning of episode 10 feels very true to me, though. When he first disappeared to track down Jessica, Wyatt proved that he wanted to work out what was going on with her on his own. So, for him not to tell the team about his suspicions made sense to me. Did I agree with it? Absolutely not. Did I expect it from him? Of course. Trashica (I like this, Jess, I’m borrowing it) was still his wife, and he still had the memory of his original Jessica in his head. He wanted to make sure, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that she is not who she claims to be before he admits that out loud to anyone. I don’t agree with it, but I get it. Did he mess up by not coming clean when Rufus asked? Yes, he did. Do I find his reasons for doing so sympathetic? Yes, I do.

Now, after that, there is another moment that I fault weak writing for. I don’t do that much with Timeless, but this season there were two moments that I easily could have done without. The loud sex joke was the first, and the accidental punch was the second.

The accidental punch could have easily been removed from the episode, and nothing would have changed. Try as I might, I cannot approve of this moment. It was there for shock value alone and was not needed. It felt forced and out of character. Wyatt had enough pain and guilt on his shoulders, and it would have been plenty for him to feel everything was all his fault. 

So, I approve of most of Wyatt’s journey. The overall themes and choices that he made were necessary, given who we know Wyatt to be. He is a good and honorable man, who cares deeply about the people in his life and truly wants to do right by them. But his execution of that is a little lacking. This makes him flawed and, as Jess said earlier, human. He tries, but he’s not perfect. He can grow and learn. In fact, given the shape he’s in at the end of episode ten, I think he already has. I am looking forward to seeing where he goes from here. He has hit rock bottom despite his belief he was doing what was right (not best for him, just right); surely, there is nowhere to go but up.

Recently, Matt Lanter did an interview with Hypable where he said he would like to see Wyatt having fun in season three, and I am with him. That’s what I want, too. Wyatt deserves a chance to prove himself to his team and earn back their trust. He also deserves to be happy. I hope his recovery in season three leads him there.

TIMELESS — “King of the Delta Blues” Episode 206 — Pictured: Matt Lanter as Wyatt Logan — (Photo by: Evans Vestal Ward/NBC)

Melinda: I am a 100%, hands-down Lyatt fan. So, naturally, Wyatt frustrates the hell out of me. I love him. I hate him…but I think the Timeless writers chose to go down a path that is true to Wyatt. Yes, I said it; I think they did a good job staying true to a Wyatt who is facing every bit of an impossible situation. Wyatt is a soldier and follows orders. He is a man of principle and rules. Loyalty is his strongest attribute, so when his dead wife comes back into his life after six years, Wyatt Logan does not hesitate to do the right thing.

Because marriage is until death do us part — or, in this case, until death, resurrection, and then running off with our Rittenhouse baby do us part. As a viewer, watching Wyatt’s undying loyal ass is painful and make-you-throw-things-at-the-TV frustrating, but that’s Wyatt. That is the man that Lucy loves. I am glad that we did see the rare moments that Wyatt let his guard down, just a little, to show Lucy how he felt. That bittersweet moment at the end of the finale was a bit heartbreaking. They have always known they love each other, and I was happy that he finally used his words. But Lyatt have just lost so much. I was somewhat hoping that Lucy would have had the chance to say, “You haven’t lost me” like Wyatt had said to her in the premiere.

Jenna: Listen, I love my soldier puppy with a passion.

Was it always easy to accept his decisions? No.

Did I understand why he made certain decisions? Yes.

But give the guy a damn minute. His dead wife was back for maybe a month. He was in love with Lucy, and then the woman he obsessively grieved over for SIX YEARS was thrust back into his life with a past he had no idea about. What was he supposed to do?

Even when things were starting to get fishy with Jessica, he wouldn’t be WYATT LOGAN if he didn’t give her the benefit of the doubt. Even when he knew she was Rittenhouse, he still tried to get her to come back with them because THAT IS WHO HE IS.

No, he didn’t make the best decisions. He admitted that he messed everything up with Lucy. Then, he admitted what we all knew — that he was in love with Lucy Preston. He didn’t expect anything from her. He knew that it was probably too late to say it, but HE HAD TO. Because it is the DAMN TRUTH.

Lau: I think that I can’t add more to what’s already been said. Wyatt may have made horrible decisions, but it’s understandable. That’s the greatest thing about Timeless: The writing doesn’t dwell on subtext — they just come out and say it. But Wyatt’s journey to make things right, which has just started, will be so much fun to see. We definitely need a season 3.

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